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Freelance writing in NYC?

Just wondering how many of you are freelance writers in New York, and how you go about getting freelance writing jobs? Do you use craigslist - I see tons of projects on there, but am wary given craigslist's reputation - get headhunted by clients, use internet bidding sites, are there NY-based job boards, etc?
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
ed2010 has a pretty great job board with a lot of NYC postings - though it's not specific to any city
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
Thanks, BroadwayBK. Me, I'm a huge fan of Elance, along with some local clients (my main NYC-based client is the Forward Thinking Museum) - although I see lots of plum posts on craigslists that make me reconsider - ghostwriting gigs, novel-writing gigs, and other Large Jobs, whereas the bidding sites tend to offer much fewer and many smaller options.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
I get many of my jobs through Elance, Guru, and Craigslist. I actually get many clients simply by word-of-mouth and prevous clients. I also do a lot of promoting of my website. So I get emails as well.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Do you have to pay fees on Guru for membership?
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
I like that you can see who you are up against on Elance. With Craig's or Ed2010 there is no way to know just how many applicants are out there. Also I feel that there is a far better selection on Elance than Craig's - and the jobs you find on Elance are much more likely to be legit. That being said, though, a lot of potential clients on Elance seem to be looking to pay writers as little as possible.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK so true what you say about Elance. In addition to Elance I also use ifreelance.com but again its a paid membership thing and you have to sift out the low paying clients. Luckily the community on ifreelance.com is quite vocal about boycotting such clients. Do also see the leads posted on New York City based Debra Ng's -http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com/ and Anne Wayman's-http://www.aboutfreelancewriting.com/.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
Yes Uraniumfish I think its structure is similair to Elance.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
It's funny how NYC is supposed to be such a "literary" city with a "literary" scene - and yet so many of us work through the wider community of the web. Granted, a lot of freelance work isn't exactly schmoozing with Salman Rushdie or writing Nabokov-style prose 24/7 (though I'm sure many of us have goals in that general direction), but it's interesting to think about nonetheless. Do you think being NY-based has helped you as a writer overall, or does the location not matter in this internet age?
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: Yes, you do pay Guru. I paid $125 for a year. Plus, they take out about 5% to 7% in fees for each transaction, or close to that amount.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl I've been following freelancewritinggigs.com for some time but didn't know about the other one - good stuff.

@Uraniumfish You're right about sifting through companies - there are those willing to pay for quality, you just have to search them out.

@ajadedidealist If you want a day job in magazines or the literary industry you likely need to live in New York. I have friends who work for magazines and the majority of them live here, though there are a few LA- and Chicago- based publications. But that is not to say that you can write for these publications and live anywhere. It's more like if you want a 10-6 gig at a Conde Nast mag (editing, copyediting, etc), you have to live where the publication is based, and that tends to be NYC.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
Fair enough, @BroadwayBK. As lovely as some of those opportunities sound, though, I must say I can't quite get the travel bug out of my system - the benefit of the internet age really is that you can work "on the go" and travel as you write. Although NYC is quite an inspiring city - I do get a lot of writing done there as compared to anywhere else.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@ajadediealist I totally agree with you.. I travel everywhere with my laptop and in fact wrote the bulk of an e-book titled 'An Expat Guide to New York City' when I was in London last year.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@ajadeidealist To your question about literary New York, in which I'm assuming you're asking about a specific 'scene': I've been to literary parties on both sides of the ocean and found NY ones the most infernally boring of all. Why? Because NY writers behave as though parties are networking opportunities, and can only discuss their latest project. Whereas across the ocean you can actually strike up interesting conversations at book parties, and the authors seem less uptight and more like just literary people hanging out with other literary people...
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@everyone has anyone ever been to a mediabistro networking event in NYC?what are they like if you have ?
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
I don't have to be in NYC to write. I find many of my clients are from out of town. In fact, many of my clients live on the West Coast.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@uptowngirl No, never been, but would be curious what goes on and if they're worth my attention...
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl Also never been but am now curious.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl Also never been but am now curious.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
I agree with ajadedidealist. I am not a hippy and find your post offensive, Sanschez. I happen to be a full time writer and enjoy what I do. I am sure the others who posted to this forum are also in agreement with my post.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Sanschez ditto here ...if you think that full time freelance writing is goofing off on free love like a hippie then you have it so wrong..
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
Now that Sanschez's post has been removed, how do you perceive yourselves to be regarding as writers? I know I consider writing not to be a business but is my passion. I love what I do.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted same here hhusted I love what I do as well but do happen to meet a lot of folk who don't think it amounts to much because it doesn't give me a six figure income! I mainly write non fiction and don't seem to have an overactive imagination like say a J.K. Rowling ..
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
I mainly focus my attention on writing books, e-books, and web copy for clients, I will indulge in other projects, if a client really needs the project done. I've been writing for nearly 20 years and love it. I wouldn't trade it for anything.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
There are definitely people on Elance making six figures as writers - I don't know if I have the drive to do that much writing, but surely it happens.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
Oh, agreed @hhusted. I wonder at those business-models for freelance writing, @uraniumfish - on the one hand, it's easy to get big projects done, but I found that I've been most successful at getting gigs when I was able to market myself/personalized skills - I imagine it would be hard as a company to provide that level of guarantee and individual accountability when it comes to certain types of projects (ghostwriting a full-length piece of fiction, script consult, etc)
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: Not true. I worked on Elance for years and two years ago, I cleared $50,000 for the year. So people can make a lot of money on Elance. It just takes a lot of bidding and keeping your bids lower. On the other hand, I have found that if you develop excellent samples and provide a unique selling proposition, buyers will be more willing to choose you over even lower bids.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Did you have to do it full time to clear that much? Writing all those proposals takes an enormous amount of time, and it's never sure you'll get the work anyway.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted good for you ! @Uraniumfish I think only if you work full time and 7 days a week can you perhaps hope to make significant money on Elance. I last year worked for a great buyer (another Aussie) and one of the projects he posted required nearly 8000 small city guides for which he was willing to pay more than $20,000 I was so tempted to bid o it but knew that I could have never done them by myself in the time frame he wanted. To be fair to the buyer he did specify that he wanted teams to bid but I think he landed up awarding to an individual. I can't help but wonder how she managed to finish them all maybe she did outsource them for lesser pay. I have often mulled with the idea but always wonder how I will control the quality of work...
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: No. I have a template I use. It takes only 2 minutes to alter the template to conform to the actual job I am applying for. I can bid on 10 projects in an hour, if I want.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: It depends how fast you can type. At $20K I would have worked 24/7 to get them done.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted thats the problem I have can't really work those crazy hours ..do have other obligations..
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SANSCHEZ
SANSCHEZ 2yrs+
how lame was removing my post?
i thought this was an open forum?
am i in china? lmao
this is the issue i take offense to, lame bland kinds of people like yourselves
that moved here in like 2001 or something calling yourselves new yorkers when ur so far removed from the true essence of this city. I can tell your the kind of people that organize garden communities and put security alarms on rooftops..a TRUE new yorker wouldve been able to deal with a little bit of controversy. Im sorry i broke up your tea party. Im sure one day bloomberg will lock down the forums to make you more comfortable also.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
None of us were responsible for removing your post, Sanschez - the forum moderators did that.
I was born in NYC and have been back and forth for half my life - I'm pretty sure I have NYC "street cred." But I do have to say that your posts seem needlessly combatative and don't support your rather aggressive statements with any sort of backup.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: That's why we are freelancers. We do what we can when we have the time to. We are not guided by a clock.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@ hhusted well said.. but yet again the $20,000 carrot was tempting ...:)
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DBlack
DBlack 2yrs+
Of all the freelancing sites mentioned here, which one would you say is the best?
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
I enjoy Elance, @Dblack. Guru appears to have lots more "joke" projects and project salaries far, far below minimum wage
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
DBlack, I like Elance for the many projects posted. I just don't like the fact when I bid on a project and the buyer either does not award the project, or cancels, I can't get the connects back. I also like Guru. Guru has a better interface for taking bids, but they charge too much in processing fees. So Elance comes first followed by Guru.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@DBlack I also like ifreelance.com their fees are reasonable and they don't charge a commission on each and every payment though they also get quite a few low paying projects. One good thing about ifreelance.com is that their community is quite strong and very vocal about denouncing a 'cheap' buyer.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
I really only use Elance.... I want to expand my services, but I just have been too busy with all of the projects I have on Elance as well as for clients I've previously worked with.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK I am actually winding down and not taking on new work since I am moving in the next few months.. its hard to say no to a juicy project but much worse to take it on and not be able to complete it.. hopefully I will be able to get back on track once I am all settled in...
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl Have to admit I'm a bit jealous
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@uptowngirl Do you ever sign up for the low paying projects? Or do you actually find some that are worthwhile?
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBk don't be ... I am not very excited.. sure the move is being handled for me but the prospect of moving to a new place and making new friends all over again is daunting. I could never get used to the American way of life of picking up and moving ever so often. Where I come from most people live in the same home for generations, packing up and moving to another state/country is not that widespread unless of course its unavoidable.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps At the very beginning of my career I worked for low paying gigs but those clients actually subsequently gave me a ton of work. I still write for them off and on for they gave me a chance in a tough to break into market. Now I dont work for rates below $10 a hour that according to many Writing gurus like Debra Ng is the absolute minimum you should accept
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
Oh, I'm jealous, at the winding down (perhaps not so much the moving) @uptowngirl. I'm exhausted at my work.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl I'm sorry then... I actually was just jealous of the non-work time you're about to have. Can't remember the last time I had a stress-free week of not working! And as for the American way of picking up and moving, I can understand where you are coming from, though not completely as I enjoy picking up and going somewhere new for an extended period of time.

I think a lot of born-and-raised New Yorkers never really leave one spot, though - at least a lot of my neighbors have lived in the same houses their entire lives. And the last guy I dated - also a native New Yorker - was really reluctant to leave the city for extended periods of time and have never really traveled very much....
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: I moved three times in four years. Talk about stress. Yuk. As for working, my business has picked up a lot lately. But just as it picks up, it does slow down as well. As i complete projects, I look for more.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted I think that is the nature of all businesses..the ebbs and flows of business cycles.. seem to remember the theories of business cycles put forth by the Austrian economist-Joseph Schumpeter which I studied during my economics courses..:)
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Everybody: I read today that retail sales are up so maybe that is a good sign that the economy is rebounding.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
Conversely, @BroadwayBK, those of us with traveling/expat childhoods seem to become expats later in life. I was raised in NYC/Paris/Rome - since leaving home I've lived (between a month and two years) in Oxford (England), Vienna, Italy (Moneglia and Rome), (plus shorter-term traveling to France, Morocco, Turkey, and Spain) and am planning to spend extended time in Copenhagen and Edinburgh, before a longer posting in Tbilisi...
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist that's quite a life .. travel is great isn't it ? it gives you such a different perspective of the world ..I am constantly amazed at the many Americans who havent traveled out of their hometowns/states. Some people don't even bother with getting a passport... I love to travel though my ideal life would be to have a base in NYC and have enough funds to travel around for the six months of winter that we have here... aha.. that will be the day...
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist How do you get such inexpensive flights around Europe? Easy Jet?
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK EasyJet, BMIBaby, Ryan Air, Air Berlin a whole host of low cost carriers serve Europe but nowadays they have become really sneaky for they advertise low fares but then have extras for everything like checked baggage, seating , food etc. Apparently Ryan Air is also considering charging for using the loo!! When I had to fly from London to Palma de Mallorca in Spain for a wedding in 2008 I actually took a regular, regional BA flight which was in fact cheaper than the low cost carriers all in all.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@uptowngirl I once bought a ticket on ...I think it was Ryan Air? And they charged me over $100 for baggage, which was much more than the ticket I bought to fly from Paris to London. I recommend taking the train for such a venture.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl @NeverSleeps I knew those low prices were too good to be true. When I was in Europe I never used them... I flew Air France, British Airways or just took the train around. I was sort of afraid that something called Easy Jet was more likely to just fall out of the sky at random, but apparently they are just falsely inexpensive!
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Everybody: How did we get off the topic of freelance writing. I loved the comments. Can we go back to it. :) :)
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
Yeah, I'm interested in trying out some of the freelance sites you guys mentioned. I honestly don't use too many...maybe it's time to broaden my horizons?
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JenMac
JenMac 2yrs+
I agree that Elance is the best one out there so far. The only thing that sucks, for us New Yorkers, is that people in podunk Nebraska can afford to charge significantly less. And, unfortunately, a lot of people will accept the cheapest bid over the better writer.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK - the cheapest ones are RyanAir and Easyjet. The others are a bit more expensive.
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hhusted
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@BroadwayBK: I have been with Elance and Guru the longest. You will need to go to each site and read up on what they provide. That is the best way to know which is better.

@JenMac: Actually, you are wrong about bidding. I have had buyers who loved my samples so much they choose my bid which was much higher. So the amount of the bid has nothing much to do with the selection process. It depends really on the buyer and what he is after.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@JenMac on Elance there is one Brooklyn based writer who is willing to work for peanuts. Not too long ago I was negotiating a travel writing deal with a Eastern Europe based buyer who loved my samples but wanted me to lower my price. I lowered it a bit but I really couldn't afford to go much lower. Guess what it went to that Brooklyn based writer eventually. When I discussed the whole issue with my husband he said that maybe the guy had bills to pay and was willing to risk carpal tunnel just to win the gig . If you trawl Elance often you will discover that particular provider.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@uptowngirl Just from your description, that sounds fishy. Could it be he's masked himself somehow as being from Brooklyn but he's really in Bengladesh somewhere? Or he just outsources everything out to Bengladesh?
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
@hhusted - I just had a great experience where a buyer said that he thought my bid was too low, and encouraged me to raise it because he wanted to do right by me! On elance! That certainly made my day!
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist that's fantastic, good for you!!

@hhusted I never received any call from Elance but I do think they know where you are based from your bank account, 1099 information etc

@Uraniumfish that may be the case for there are many US based providers who seem to be fronts for writing services based in India and elsewhere. I once thought about doing something like that but changed my mind quickly as I am sure I would have had quality issues. I have since then decided to collaborate with a writer friend in India if need be for any overflow of work that I may have. She is a good friend and is hardly going to go behind my back and undercut me or something.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist Man, I hope I find that provider one day....
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Ajadedidealist: That was so nice. I remember that happened to me a few years ago. It does brighten your day when someone does act scrupulously for a change.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Hey, everyone, in case you are not aware, I have secured a regular part time job onsite. I hope it will last for a while. At least it pays decent money.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
Does anyone else ever feel the need to get a part time job? Worry about not being able to find the next gig?
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK That's the classic worry of the freelancer, no?
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
Honestly sometimes I don't even worry about it... It's like one of those things where if you believe you're just going to keep rolling in the steady work, it actually happens. It's only when I start to worry that it becomes time to cut back on the nights on the town and the H&M shopping sprees.

Sometimes I do toy with the idea of getting a bartending gig for the sole purpose of paying my college loans...
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK: I like your attitude. Sometimes it is best not to worry about when the next job will come in.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
There's little worse than losing a contract once you've mentally budgeted for it! I had to miss a lot - LOT - of teaching work this week because I was stranded due to volcano ash...it's definitely a huge hole in my wallet...
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist Ouch. Is that why you were posting from the airport that one day?
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Ajadedidealist: Do you still live near the volcano or are you away from it now? It must be scary living near one, not knowing when it will erupt, spilling lava all over the place.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted I don't think ajadedidealist was living the volcano.. the volcanic ash originated from an erupting volcano in Iceland and disrupted flights and travel in the Spring and summer of 2010.
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