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Plus-sized Models are In While Skinny is Out

Well at least for this one store. A Boerum Hill boutique for plus-sized women is hosting a model search for women who are size 18 and bigger. Their goal is to find someone beautiful inside and out. Deb Malkin, the store owner, believes that plus-sized women are put down, so they are trying to create something positive for them.

By the way, the boutique's name is Re/Dress. To learn more about their model search, just call 718-522-7962 or visit www.redressnyc.com for more info.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted hurrah for this ,maybe this is a trend in the making though I do think skinny models will always be in demand- clothes hang better of them you see .
I was actually thinking of taking in a show of Colombian artist Fernando Bottero's works at the David Benrimon Fine Art Gallery on E 65th street. The artist is known for his pudgy figures some of which are in fact quite charming.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
Pity that there has to be this separate category of "skinny" and "plus sized" - if models were at a healthier overall average weight, the dichotomy perhaps wouldn't be so striking, and it would be possible to promote a healthy range of body weights without it being either "you're a size 00" or "you're obese" as default modes.

NYers are really skinny, though, I've noticed, compared to other places I've lived (Paris, Rome, Oxford). It does seem that NY restaurants are diet conscious: small portions, healthy, if sometimes fussy ingredients, etc. I once went to a pizzeria in Morningside Heights and had to try to convince them to give me pizza WITH gluten!
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Bottero's really charming, uptowngirl. Lucian Freud is also pretty unapologetic about painting figures in all their shapeliness. His last big exhibit in NY was at the MOMA in 2008.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@uraniumfish thanks I love figurative work don't care how unfashionable it is to say so..
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist I do agree that NYkers are much fitter than most other Americans but portion sizes in restaurants( i dont mean fast food restaurants) here are by no means small. When my ma in law visits from London that's one of her main complaints she gets put off by the large portions that are served here. I often tell her that the doggy bag is an accepted way of NYC life but she refuses to wrap her mind around it ..
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Agreed, uptowngirl. What is it with piling on the mounds of food they do here? And I've never been able to get into the doggie bag scene. Even the name seems somehow inelegant...
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
Hey, uptowngirl, and ajadedidealist, you think New Yorkers are skinny. That may be true, but have you been to Long Island. I took a trip out there recently and, my goodness, what fat people I saw. It seems the people in the suburbs are heavier and more out of shape than city people. I believe that is because city people do a lot of walking, while those in the suburbs depend on their cars to get around.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
How strange - I found NYC portions much smaller than portions here in England (albeit, pub/village/Oxford England, not urbane London/England). Or at least, much healthier in terms of oil/sauce/etc...
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: The obesity level in this country is very bad. In fact, it is one of the biggest health concerns in the United States. Everywhere you look, you see ads for food. And when you go out to eat, they like to stuff it down your throat. No wonder so many people are fat.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
You notice it coming from Europe, that Americans are shockingly fat. NYC is better, probably because so many people are so image-conscious here. But in the rest of the US I have routinely spotted some incredibly large butts and guts on the streets. Incredibly large.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted youre dead on when you say we are constantly bombarded with images of food in the US.. I notice this whenever I watch TV.. there are so many commercials advertising food that I invariably get hungry myself..
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: That is the purpose of commercials. They want you to go out and spend the money on food so you get the food industry rich. They do this so you will be forced to invest in diet pills so you can lose weight. Then once you lose the weight, they bombard you with ads again to force you to eat. It is one vicious cycle. You need discipline to avoid the cycle.
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JenMac
JenMac 2yrs+
I feel, that while there a lot of thin people here, I don't know that it's because of the food. I'm from California, and when I moved here, I had a really hard time adjusting to how heavy the food is. I feel like the lighter options are really limited compared to what I was used to eating. I'll grant you, I walk so much more than I ever have; but, it seems like even finding a salad (outside of chop't) that isn't chock full of pine nuts and cheese is kind of a chore.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted just read a report that celebrity trainer Jillian Michaels was recently sued over her diet pills line-
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hiEwTXjeUZz_whBVCuvixa7kHQzQD9DQCP281
People are deluded if they think they can just loose weight by popping pills, it takes a huge effort and essentially involves reducing your intake and upping the amount of physical activity that you do.

@JenMac the delis around where I live offer salad bars that allow you to make your own salad combos in that way you can avoid all usual the diet saboteurs. One of my current favorites is spinach with oranges and cranberries..
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
How can people not enjoy walking, @uptowngirl? Granted, NYC in December can be freezing, but I find walking the most enjoyable and scenic way to keep fit! Especially when there's so much to see!
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist: I love walking in the summertime. Not now. It is much too cold to do any walking now. I hibernate in the winter.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
Anyone else like walking a lot. I guess the best way to walk around in the cold is to have layers of clothes on.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted and @ajadedidealist I too love walking outdoors but on cold, windy days I feel quite miserable when the wind hits my face and usually duck into a subway station or ride the bus to avoid walking but come spring and summer I am usually out and about reveling in the warmth of the sun. Guess people who don't physical activity dont feel the same way....
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
Yeah, if you walk, workout at least twice a week, don't eat junk food, and eat healthy, you should be able to stay thin.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
Back to the original topic at hand - I don't think skinny models are going to be "out" anytime soon. And plus sized models are definitely not "in," as hhusted noted there are few places that endorse them -but lately there are a few curvy women appearing on covers, like Christina Hendricks on New York mag: http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/christina-hendricks-mad-men-star-unwitting-poster-girl-brand-beauty/story?id=9852957

Anyway, every few years or so the fashion industry declares curvier women fashionable, but so far - since the rise of the model with the eating disorder - it hasn't really panned out.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
I wonder if such things as skinny or fat models is just a fad. I truly wonder.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
Wow, Christina Hendricks is absolutely gorgeous! But she's an anomaly - fashion models have been insanely skinny for a while now. "Healthy-sized" was in in the 80's (think of athletic models like Brinkley and Crawford) but I think we're stuck with waifs for the time being. Though CH can outclass them all, and not just in size.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted the weight of a skinny model has been quite a controversial topic over the past few years in places like Milan, Madrid and Barcelona there have been bans instituted on underweight models. However extremely think models created quite a stir at the Sao Paulo Fashion week recently
-http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/22/extremely-thin-models-cau_n_432815.html. In spite of this I don't think the size 00 model will disappear anytime soon simply because designers think that clothes hang better on them than their curvier sisters. So a the skinny model is not a fad but sadly the curvy model definitely is no matter how many appreciative comments she elicits.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist I used to be a huge Cindy Crawford fan and I agree Christina Hendricks is fabulous.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Here's Karl Lagerfeld being rather "charming" on this subject:

http://www.stylelist.com/2009/10/12/karl-lagerfeld-defends-skinny-models-no-one-wants-to-see-roun/
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Recently, Ralph Lauren got themselves in a soup when someone pointed out how hideously they had photoshoped a model's image to make her more skinny:

http://www.lemondrop.co.uk/2009/10/09/ralph-lauren-owns-up-to-freakish-photoshopped-image/

Here is boingboing's defiant answer to Ralph Lauren trying to muscle them into shutting up:

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/06/the-criticism-that-r.html

I had a good laugh over that little to-do.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish thanks for those links.. especially the Karl Lagerfield one..couldn't stop reading all those comments. As a member of the curvy brigade the debate was most interesting!.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Yes, Mr. Lagerfeld is rather "special" isn't he? You can read his twitter posts here. They are always "articulate."

http://twitter.com/KARL_LAGERFELD
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DBlack
DBlack 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish Karl Lagerfeld's statement on Twitter are so contrived an self-conscious. Like he's trying too hard to be an artist.

@Everybody Last summer I went went to the beach with a big group of friends. One of the women was considered very beautiful and she was model-skinny. She's a well-known musician and people make a big deal over her. Anyways, my eye was definitely roving over to the women in the group in their bikinis. You know, you can't help a little innocent looking. I have to say that I found her skinniness TOTALLY unattractive. She looked scary without her clothes on, like a corpse. You could see her ribs. Yuck! Not for me.

So I have to disagree with Karl Lagerfeld and say I love to look at women with a little flesh on them and find that very very beautiful.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
Someone should put Karl Lagerfeld out of his misery - it looks like he's just hoping to be re-Tweeted or quoted with those Tweets. I wonder who he thinks he's impressing with such statements as: "Like poetry, fashion does not state anything. It merely suggests."
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
Ugh, Lagerfeld - he wants to be a mix of Oscar Wilde and Andy Warhol and fails at both!
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist Yes, and miserably!
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@DBlack@hhusted thank god for men like you !
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
When stores or designers use fit models for non-couture clothing, they usually use a girl who is about a size 5 or 6 - normal, in other words. So couture is one thing, but when clothes are made for the rest of us they are actually made with the average woman in mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitting_model
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK what drives me mad is the lack of standardization in sizes here in US. My size seems to vary from brand to brand .. I try to shop online but often land up going to return stuff( just returned two pairs of jeans this afternoon. Have learned that I actually have to try on stuff before buying maybe my body is just weirdly made...
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
No, uptowngirl, it isn't you. The manufacturer uses different kinds of materials. They often treat the materials in special chemicals so it looks and feels a certain way. This is why you can try on a pair of pants from one rack and it fits right, and take a pair of pants from another rank from a different manufacturer, and it won't fit, but it is the same size.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl I know exactly what you mean - and I hate when stores use "vanity" sizing. As in, regularly I'm a 4/5, but I'm a 2 in stores that use vanity sizing. Like making me a smaller size at your store is actually going to make me want to shop there more! I seriously doubt that your body is weirdly made, more like the clothes are weirdly made. I try everything on, too, and I won't buy anything at a store that doesn't have a decent return policy.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
I had this complicated discussion with a sales clerk at Banana republic, because they use two sizing systems--one is obviously the vanity sizing as you pointed out. In one system I was a 4, in another system I was a 2. I really really needed that shirt but in another color, and the conversation about placing the order turned into a comedy routine. Gaaa. Why do they have to make it so complicated? I'm perfectly okay with the thought of being a 4 and never asked to be coddled.

Or, let's say, if I were ashamed of my size, THINKING myself into a smaller size aint gonna change reality.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@uptowngirl Is there standardization in sizes in other countries? I've traveled a bit but I guess I didn't really do much retail therapy abroad.

@everyone I agree with you on vanity sizing - it makes little sense. It does not make me feel better about myself, which would be very sad, and it does not make me want to shop more at stores that participate in such confusing things.

@Uraniumfish Did they have two different size systems because one was for people who ordered things online? I've never heard of a store doing that.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
They had the petite line and they had the normal line. A 2 petite is the same as a 4 normal. Exactly the same only they sew on a different label. Or wait, was that a 4 petite is a 2 normal. Gaaa. There it goes again. No, it wasn't online. I was in the store and they were going to get my shirt from another store. What else is this whole petite/ normal measurement but vanity sizing.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
That's really strange - I sometimes pick up the petite version of things - especially pants, because even though I am average height they tend to make pants sooooo long. I am usually a 4 in petite sizes, though, as well as "short" jeans. I guess it all depends on what numbers the store feels like putting on the tags.

So yeah, the only difference I've noticed in petites is that the pant legs and sleeves tend to be shorter.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
When I read everyone's comments about clothes sizes, I have to agree that in most cases, the clothes are usually designed differently by each manufacturer. So when one type of clothing fits well, another one of the same size won't. Strange way to make clothes, but that seems to be the way it is. I guess that is a lure to get people into the store.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
What a relief to read all these comments proves I am not the one lumped with a weird body. I was really bummed because a pair of jeans that I ordered online in my normal size didnt fit when they got here.I thought I had put on weight and was in a real funk even though my other jeans in that size still fit perfectly. I know pure and simple logic should prevail in such cases but all that flew out of the window that evening...
@Neversleeps I think there is more standardization in the UK where I do tend to spend a few months ever year. My size doesnt seem to differ as much between brands.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@everyone has anyone heard of Sensa? My Daily Candy mail today is offering a 30 day trial of Sensa which seems to be an appetite suppressant of some sort which you sprinkle on normal foods. Have a look-http://www.trysensa.com/. Now I do go the gym every morning and try and watch what I eat ..
but am tempted to try it ..especially since I am relocating soon to the land of the small and petite ..
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
No, uptowngirl, I never heard of Sensa. I really don't need appetite suppressants. I heard somewhere they are not safe. Anybody hear that to?
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@ uptowngirl Haven't heard of Sensa but would really stay away from things like that on principle. I am quite small, even for a woman, and I lived in Germany for a while, the land of the tallest people you can imagine. I have a photo of me standing next to some German friends and I barely come up to their shoulders. I look like a child, and I can tell you it wasn't easy psychologically, since I'm not keen on being talked down to, literally. But you know what, uptowngirl, we are made how we are made, and we are all beautiful in our various shapes and sizes. I say keep on exercising and eating healthy foods, and let the rest be.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
I find sizes to be absolutely impossible - I go between a 00 and an 8, depending, which is enormously difficult when it comes to trying things on! Clearly I'm just abnormally shaped.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist That's insane... I don't think I've ever heard of anyone fluctuating that much. Is it because you shop internationally so much?

@uptowngirl I'm curious about Sensa... and Alli as well, as it was the first FDA approved diet pill or appetite suppressant or whatever you want to call it. When I was in college I used to take a diet pill in order to pull an all-night study-a-thon - those things make your pulse race and it's impossible to sleep. No idea what kind of effects Sensa and Alli have, however. But I don't know if I would take those things on a regular basis.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish I am 5ft 8" tall and of normal build for the US but I feel like a giant in Asia where buying shoes and clothes is a major problem. I am currently trying to cram a whole year's shopping into a few months as I know I will not have the chance to shop once I am there. I am not a shopaholic but like everybody like a few nice, new things off and on.. I was really bummed about that jeans issue and guess got intrigued by the Sensa advert. I have never really tried any of these faddy things not even Jenny Craig/Weight Watchers which some of my friends follow. Thanks for the reality check anyway.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: Trust me. I am a trained counselor and nutritionist. Plus, I get a lot of emails from a certified nutritionist. Those supplements are no good. Do yourself a favor and stay away from them. Just eat right, exercise, take the proper vitamins, and you'll be fine.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl Awful! Also, I have a friend who frequently travels to Asia and because she is so tall can't fit into any of the clothes. From what I hear, I would have problems getting my hips into them as well?
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JenMac
JenMac 2yrs+
Uptowngirl: Have you ever considered cutting all sugar out of your diet? It's not only supposed to be good for you but most people drop an insane amount of weight in a really small time. And, they all say they feel really great.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl Guess I won't be doing much shopping on any future trips to Asia.

Whenever I want to lose a few pounds quickly, I switch to a (balanced) vegan diet. Nothing has ever worked better for me. I eat a lot of soy and am mostly veggie anyway, but cutting out both meat and dairy cuts back on a lot of fats.
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DBlack
DBlack 2yrs+
@uptowngirl For the record, uptowngirl, I wasn't posting all of that to preach to you in any way about what you should do, just sharing how I eat and try to stay fit for myself! I get the feeling you're doing okay without advice from me...
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@DBlack Yeah, until I got upbraided for this and tutored in the ways of a healthful diet, I actually thought cheese was a valid way to get your protein. I don't have a lot of trouble now staying at the weight I want, and I do a lot of the things you mentioned.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
And replace your oils with olive oil - it's by far healthier than butter, sesame seed oil, corn syrup, etc., it's delicious, and it's good brain food! And my mother swears it helps you lose weight by digesting better, but that could be an old wives' tale
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
Actually, ajadedidealist, extra virgin olive oil is the best. Olive oil is made up of about 71% monounsaturated, 16% saturated, and 13% polyunsaturated oils. When going for this type of oil, try to go for the one that has “extra virgin” on the label. Extra virgin refers to when the olives are pressed first. This allows the antioxidants to stay in the olive. Extra virgin olive oil is not manufactured like other oils. Therefore, it does not contain harmful industrial solvents.

By the way, your mother is right about it helping lose weight, because it doesn't contain the fatty stuff that puts weight on you.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
Huh, good to know, @hhusted! I cook with copious amounts of olive oil, and I'm glad to know I can do so guilt-free. I always go for extra-virgin olive oil - it's one place that the extra $1-2 a bottle are really worth the health benefits.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
It shows. :)

BTW, I meant that as a compliment.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted and ajadedidealist what I especially love is the Extra Virgin Oil Spray. You get it at Trader Joe's and its brilliant for frying, sauteeing and even making fried eggs. Do you think I could take a few cans with me in my checked baggage when I move ? I am sure I will not get the EVO spray overseas.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl You keep reminding me of all the reasons I used to go to Trader Joe's every other day.... Think I need to start doing that again! It's just such a long walk to the L train when it's chilly outside.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
@uptowngirl - last night I was making dinner for my boyfriend. Went to the farmer's market for fresh eggplant, fresh walnuts (even shelled them myself!), etc, for a perfect, farm-fresh meal. I started with a dash of extra virgin olive oil. The second I turn my back while the eggplant is frying, my boyfriend pours some standard-grade vegetable oil on my perfect mixture to help it cook. His logic? "It tastes the same."

I nearly cried...
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist Oh no! How could anyone do that to eggplant?
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Ajadedidealist: Your boyfriend does not understand nutrition. In reality, most people don't understand nutrition. You will have to educate him, so he'll understand that.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl and @Ajadedidealist: According to my certified nutritionist friend, he stated EVO has a slight better taste to it. Not much.It takes a trained taster to know, but the nutritional value of EVO over other oils can't even come close. So in using EVO, definitely have a nutritional advantage.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@ajadeidealist Um, the repetition thing is becoming spooky.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: Sometimes repetition is a good thing. It helps you become really good at whatever you do. Practice makes perfect.
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