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A new subway map for New York City

As new yorkers ,we all have used the city's subway map at sometime or the other ..why I remember the first few times that I visited the city I just couldnt get my head around the subway lines they seemed so confusing and so many! Even when I first moved here, for months I walked around with a subway and a street map though now I just use hopstop.com on my phone .. In an age where scores of people use a smart phone , the New York City subway map continues to hold its iconic status on NYC's landscape so much so that the MTA is due to release a new subway map next month. The new map will have the new subway routes i.e . the M train will now be shown as an orange line while the V and W trains will disappear..the MTA has ordered millions of new maps for distribution in June 2010 and suddenly now I am craving for a new one! you?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/28/nyregion/28map.html?adxnnl=1&src=tptw&adxnnlx=1275019937-A0gr7vRoR3RqMlMbgOhPhA
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
Not really. I don't travel that much. If I have to travel to Brooklyn or Queens for some reason, I'll ask the person I'm visiting what subway line I need to take. If they post the map on the present MTA website, I can always go there to look at it. Thanks for the heads up.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
Aww....I got attached to the normal map. It's funny how Manhattan is increasing in size/ratio on the map, though - steadily since 1900 or so!
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
OOhh. Love the NYC maps and have had one up in my apartment in every city I've ever lived in. When I lived in Europe used to have visiting friends bring me fresh ones.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: Do you have maps as wallpaper now? Seems collecting maps and pinning them to the wall would eventually cover the entire wall, at least a major part of it.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
In moving I would just throw them away, since they get worn and frayed, and get a new one.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
I have a subway pre-9/11 subway map somewhere, and it's crazy to see how much that thing has changed since then. Even my iPhone seems to be unaware that the G train goes to Park Slope now and that I don't actually have to walk to Red Hook to get on it. So, technology aside (admittedly, I should be using Hopstop instead of that stupid default iPhone map app), a paper map does come in handy once in a while.
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DBlack
DBlack 2yrs+
I have a huge map book of historical maps of NYC, from the very beginning of history on the island of Manhattan to present, and it goes through the various subway maps too. I love the look of maps, and I guess no app can substitute!
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Everyone when I read this article I promptly saved the PDF of the subway map circa March 2010. I want to remember that the V train did exist once as I off and on used to take it on my forays into Queens.. aha nostalgia.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
I agree with ajadedidealist that it's pretty funny how Manhattan keeps growing... After seeing the subway map so much, seeing what the city looks like on a topical map is pretty weird.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
The MTA is constantly changing directions of the trains. They either add lines or take lines away.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Ajadedidealist: No telling. If collectors think they are worth something, they will sell them at a high price.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Everyone maybe I should save one of my dog eared subway maps in the hope that 50 years down the line it will be worth something after all I have even saved a receipt from the Gap store which was in the WTC shopping arcade before 9/11..who knows if it will ever be a coveted item...
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
Hah, that's a little extreme @uptown girl. But then again, people sell pieces of the Berlin Wall on ebay, so anything is possible!
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Hah! I pity the fool who buys a piece of the Berlin wall on eBay!
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish What do you mean! I just bought a piece of it, as well as some genuine Chanel earrings and some brand new Louboutins, all for only $20 total!
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps I've got some property in Florida with Gulf Ocean views I'd like to sell you...
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps @Uraniumfish Ha...

@uptowngirl That is pretty ambitious. What did you buy at the Gap? I can't imagine what anyone would do with such an item...
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish Not anywhere near that oil spill, I hope. Think I'd prefer some property in the Florida Keys, if you've got some? Bidding starts at $20? And speaking of the waterfront, what exactly is a Uraniumfish, if I might ask?
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK a pair of jeans for my dad! its not the jeans I am holding on to but the receipt which lists the name and address of the store at the WTC. That summer that I spent in NYC was absolutely glorious, I was recovering from a broken heart(sic) and had the best time with my brothers, one of whom had an apartment on South End Avenue in Battery Park City where I stayed for the entire summer of 2001.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps What, no, oil in the water is great for your skin! Natural moisturizer! Prime real estate, I tell you! Bidding starts at $20! Great deal! Won't last at these prices!
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
A uraniumfish is a brilliant fish, a fish that glows in the dark, a heavy metal fish, a fish to be reckoned with. It is way way waaaaay awsomer than a goldfish.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: Is that why you chose the name Uraniumfish for your login name?
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish LOL
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl Those are some pretty glorious memories.

@Urainumfish A radioactive fish?
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@BroadwayBk That too, a radioactive fish, but who couldn't use a little radioativity in their lives? It, um, brightens things up.

I've got that piece of real estate I could still sell you...
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: And kills to, especially if you get too much of it.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish I thought you already sold that property to me?!
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Oh, silly me, was I trying to sell the same property twice? Um, oops.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
I've got some great designer goods at very cheap prices - but I certainly didn't get them on Canal Street! I don't see the point in buying either knockoffs or super-expensive bags - why not get something nice and original in a decent price range?
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
Right... I'd rather head to the flea market than to Canal Street, personally.
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DBlack
DBlack 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish LOL
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
Everybody: Go to Wal-Mart and get everything cheap. :) :)
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted On the topic of Wal-Mart what happened to their plans of setting up shop in the Bronx? did that even happen?Remember Bloomberg was violently opposed to Wal-Mart because of its low wage policies..
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
Wal-Mart is evil. I don't want them putting my poor bodega out of business. I can understand not wanting one of those anywhere near the city.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted do you know if Wal-Mart ship to the city? if you buy online? You should perhaps try out the Manhattan Costco as well.. I know you have to pay $50 a year to be a member but I think its worth it at least for toilet paper, detergent and other stuff which is usually a pain to cart from the grocery store. Luckily I have built in storage in my kitchen which can accommodate all the rolls of Bounty and Charmin that I buy at Costco ..:) hate running out..
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl I randomly drove by a Costco the other day, and it was actually the first time I ever saw one in the city. I'm trying to persuade a friend of mine to join. Do you know if I would be able to get away with using his membership to buy stuff?
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@BraodwayBK Don't they have you get ID cards with your picture on them? Exactly for the purpose of preventing such maneuvers?
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@hhusted You don't have to believe that Wal-mart puts a lot of small businesses out of commission, but there have been quite a few studies that show the opposite. Not that there are some benefits to having one around. I'd just prefer my 'hood Wal-mart free.
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DBlack
DBlack 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK I actually have no idea about Costco, but it would make economic sense: if you bring all your friends along and shop for them too, that's just more sales for Costco.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK my Costco card has my mugshot on it though I don't think it should cause a problem if he came along with you and flashed his card at checkout for your purchases. I do remember my husband saying that in the past he used to tag along with friends to Costco expeditions outside the city. So it must be working and if I was around I could have helped you out as the Manhattan Costco is not too far from where I live.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@DBlack Perhaps...but if they wanted everyone to shop there, why have a membership requirement at all?

@uptowngirl That's good news! Yes, too bad you aren't around - I guess I am going to have to convince someone I know to join.... Or cough up the membership fee on my own.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps: Again, I do not condone Wal-Mart's practices, but I am in favor of them from a business person's point of view. I am a business man myself and believe strongly in free enterprise. Wal-Mark has the legal right to exist and operate like any other store. If you don't like them, stay away. That's the only advice I can give.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: Wal-Mart does not deliver. At least, when I went to a store on Long Island they told me they do not deliver. I asked about ordering online. The guy told me in most cases, they will ship the product to a local store for pickup and not deliver it to your home. I am not sure if this has changed. This was the policy last year.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@hhusted I wasn't asking for advice. And I do stay away. Obviously.
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JenMac
JenMac 2yrs+
@Neversleeps: C'mon, it's not all bad . . . only place you can get a dress and a gun in one stop! ;)
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@JenMac: I disagree with the gun, unless you are talking about toy guns. But you are right. Wal-Mart is the epitome of what a retail store should be. Low prices so people can afford it, especially when everything else is so high-priced.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted thanks for the info.. I used to go to Wal Mart on my trips to Princeton but now with Costco in Manhattan I dont need to do those wildly expensive shopping trips.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted oh I dont mean Wal Mart is pricey, just the whole expedition along with the shopping used to cost quite a packet.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Okay, so, I would just never, never buy a piece of clothing at WalMart, I don't care how cheap they are. So, no dress for me, but I guess I'll have to consider the gun...
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Everyone Since Wal-Mart seems a no-no.. what does everyone think of Target? I think Target is coming to Manhattan or at least they have a pop up store on 6th Avenue in the 40's. I quite like Target though the closest store for me is the one in Brooklyn on Atlantic Avenue. Does anybody know of any other one in the city?
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: Sorry. But no one will stop me from shopping at Wal-Mart. I went to Target once, and noticed the prices were higher than in K-Mart. Of course, K-Mart is just a bit above Wal-Mart in pricing.
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JenMac
JenMac 2yrs+
I love Target! I can never get out of that place without spending a fortune. And, seriously, they have really cute clothes there.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
I am a Target fan, but the one in Brooklyn is always SO INSANELY CROWDED. It's bad, even for an NYC shopping experience. And they do have cute clothes there - or at least they look cute on the rack until you realize that they are mostly not very well cut. A lot of those clothes are on the formless side, and even a lot of their famous-designer-for-Target series have been disappointments when it comes to fitting properly.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
The only thing I bought at Target was cat food and a small radio player. That was it.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK , JenMac its always the clothes that attract me to Target but aside from kids clothes for my nephews and nieces ,I havent really found anything for myself at the Target in Brooklyn though I must admit I have stocked up on socks and kitchenware at a Wal-Mart!
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
Who doesn't love Target? It's like Wal-Mart's arch nemesis.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
@uptowngirl - just shows how much I know about Walmart. I went to one once and got so excited at the sheer amount of STUFF there was...never been to a Target, though. Clearly I'm in the NYC/city bubble
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist These places tend to be overrated anyway. I dated a New York native who actually got anxiety in big stores like Wal-Mart and Target, which was so weird to me because these places are such a staple of suburban living that it seemed strange that anyone wouldn't just be used to them.

@NeverSleeps It actually is... I had a friend who was a department manager at Target for a while, and the store actively strives to out-sell Wal-Mart, but yeah right. Especially in a recession! My money's on Wal-Mart, even if I am not much of a fan.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Everyone I dont know if its just my phone but whenever I am in a particular Wal-Mart in NJ both my husband's phone and mine lose reception now I dont know if its a T-mobile thing or Wal-Mart deliberately jams the signals so people can't transmit their prices and specials to their competitors. Has anyone else experienced this? or is it just my over active imagination at work?
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: Where in NJ are you speaking of? My cell phone is from AT&T and works wherever I go.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK I know you say New York Natives don't care about Target/Wal-Mart but many of the New Yorkers get carried away by Target's effective advertising especially their collaborations with famous designers. When my friends and I were new to the city and didn't know that a Target store was within close reach we often used to talk about hiring a car and driving to the suburbs to visit a target.
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JenMac
JenMac 2yrs+
I feel like every time I'm wearing something from Target, I get complimented on it. And, my snobby Marc Jacobs wearing friends and shocked and horrified to find that they liked the Target item on me so much. Maybe it's the NY target that's responsible for ugly / ill fitting things. I don't know because I only ever go to Targs when I'm home. But, I seriously love that place.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl No, I wasn't saying that. I remember the pandemonium caused when Target opened. Just noting that there would never be anyone unfamiliar with such a store in suburbia, whereas it definitely happens here.

And as for the famous designer thing, I have a few pieces from some of those lines, and I also have a friend who has a really cute dress from one of those collaborations. People are always asking where she got it, and she doesn't lie - but does feel the need to explain how it's from one of those famous designer for Target lines.

@JenMac I've actually gotten a lot of compliments on the things I have from Target as well - but I still say they need to work on making things fit properly.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl I have that cell phone problem at IKEA....
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK and @JenMac: I think Target is a great store. My girlfriend and I went there a few times to check out prices on certain items. I do admit they have a great selection of clothes. My girlfriend likes the style of clothes that Target has for women. She mainly buys under garments when visiting the store. I prefer the electronic section.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK; I almost forgot to mention that when I was at Ikea last year, my cell phone worked fine. And as I said in an earlier post, my carrier is AT&T.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
My experience with AT&T is that they are not the best of service providers - I have a friend who couldn't get reception in his own apartment, and mine is completely lacking when I'm at the gym - but I never noticed problems at Wal-Mart or IKEA. But I have never been to a Wal-Mart in the area, and I don't think I've attempted to make calls while I shop for rugs and dishes at IKEA.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
I've had troublesome reception at IKEA, trying to tell a friend who called that I can't talk to him because I'm shopping for rugs. But he couldn't hear me and I had to hang up on him.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps: AT&T may not be the best, but I tried T-Mobile and Sprint, and found AT&T had better and more coverage than either one put together. That is why I quit them and went to AT&T.

But of course, each person has his/her own experiences. What works well in my area may not work well in yours.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted I just got off the phone with my brother and since he uses an iPhone he is with AT&T, he was driving past the AT&T building when he lost reception.. this is a routine feature when he calls me..he is dying to break his contract with AT&T and move over to Verizon if Verizon does get access to the iPhone. As for me,my husband has used T-mobile for ages since when it was VoiceStream and we have had no dropped calls/loss of reception except at the one Wal-Mart near Edison, NJ.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@uptowngirl @hhusted I've never had any reception worse than what I have with AT&T - and I've been on Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint. And I've never met anyone who disagreed with me: AT&T is awful. And the only reason I'm on it? The iPhone. Yes, even I am disgusted with myself.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Metro PCS reception is truly, truly awful. I don't know if it can get worse than them. Though at least I can call from inside my own apartment, if I couldn't that would be just a bit much.
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JenMac
JenMac 2yrs+
Isn't that why everyone has ATT? I think every iPhone owner in America is waiting with baited breath for Apple to announce a deal with Verizon . . .
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@JenMac so did you get your iPhone 4G as yet? even i am in the market for a new phone and cannot make up my mind whether to go the BlackBerry way(the BBM's are quite tempting) or to get an android phone? I am such a Nokia fan that I really cant make the switch.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
3G is great! I can get it worldwide - which is helpful - and even pay a reasonable sum to access my email on my phone anywhere in the EU, although it gets pretty expensive in Georgia (ex-Soviet Georgia, not Atlanta Georgia)
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Everybody; Hey guys. I understand your frustrations with AT&T. But why is it that I can get reception anywhere I go and much of you can't. I went to the Wal-Mart near Edison, NJ about 6 months ago, I think, and I have AT&T. My reception was fine.

The only places where I cannot get reception is in the subway. However, AT&T told me they are adding cells there all the time. The problem with the subway is getting permission from MTA so they can go down there and install the cells.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@JenMac I would switch to Verizon in an instant. AT&T has the worst reception in Manhattan - it takes sooo long just to use GPS.

@hhusted I've heard that reception not only depends upon the service you use but also the model of cell phone you have. But if you have AT&T and head to the Lower East Side or some other cell phone infested place on a busy Friday night, and I think you will have the same problems. All those kids with iPhones gathered in one place tend to overpower the towers or something. Maybe the awesome reception you have boils down to not noticing how bad it is because you don't get out as much as other AT&T customers?
Also heard that MTA is not keen on putting towers in the subway because of the whole terrorist threat thing - but that's just a rumor, I haven't Googled it and don't mean to be a fear monger.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps I have the same problems: down with AT&T!
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps I sometimes get cell reception on the subway platform of 77street and Lexington Avenue maybe its located under a powerful tower or something but it would be so great if we had cell reception in the subways..here in Asia the cells work underground as well but funnily enough people don't make a nuisance of themselves ..hardly anyone talks loudly on the phone etc its all quite civilized so it wouldnt be a bad thing to have. I remember I was once stuck underground near 28th Street and Lex in a stalled subway car, it was only for about 15 minutes but I was meeting friends for dinner and would have loved to have cell phone reception to let them know why I wasn't there as yet.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
ISometimes I'll be sitting on the F train and my cell phone will suddenly tell me I have new mail or I'll get a text - it's like I have an instant of service on that train somehow.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
I get that sometimes too! The London Tube in particular is spotty with that sort of thing; I think they can be much "higher" than the NYC subways, as well as much "Lower" underground - seems to be more variety in that way.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK @ajadedidealist I don't think I've ever gotten any reception down there - but I don't exactly check my phone a lot when I'm underground. Interesting, though.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@Everybody The subway is the one place where I really wish I could get reception, since it's a perfect time to get my messages read and calls answered. Sigh. So then I end up texting and calling people as I'm weaving in and out of foot traffic on the streets, looking like a perfect maniac.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Everybody: I called AT&T about the subway. They have technicians checking into it. Hopefully they will find what level of service they have done there and add more towers.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
Looks like we can thank some Australians when the subway finally gets outfitted with wireless service: http://thecityfix.com/new-york-subway-getting-wired/
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JenMac
JenMac 2yrs+
We should get service in a bomb shelter at this point. It is ridiculous that most people can't even get AT&T in their apartment.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Everyone I think AT&T should seriously think of upgrading their capacity/ improving their service for I just read that Dell's Streak Tablet an iPad competitor is going to go with AT&T as well. Can you imagine the chaos then?
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl and @JenMac: Well I guess it means that AT&T better get their act together and better their coverage, otherwise people will get tired of it and go elsewhere.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted as long as the iPhone is exclusively with AT&T nobody is going anywhere..and they know that too.. AT&T I mean
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps Great article. I had to laugh at the objection that wireless service kills those "rare meditative moments" on the platforms. Wait do you mean the moments of staring at the grungy walls, leaky overhead grates, and strolling rats, because that's way way better than making eye contact with the sometimes weird and questionable people who are waiting on the platform with you? Give me Wifi any day, thanks!
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish I want the whole hog not only Wifi in stations but internet access underground as well!
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@ uptowngirl Me too. I wanna surf and chat in my rare meditative moments!
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
According to AT&T, they're covering 97% of the USA. I suppose the problem with reception has something to do with a usage overload? Maybe what they need are less customers.

And...wow. Meditative moments on the subway? I either have my nose stuck in a book or a I am dodging the rushing commuters.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
I don't so much get meditative on the subway but just try to endure.

And on that note, the red line was a disaster yesterday and what the heck are we paying for? And in the evening the N line was just gone. Gone. Took me forever to get into Brooklyn.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
There is really never a good season to be in the subway - it's either too cold or too hot down there, and it's filthy year round. Some wifi to take your mind off things is exactly what the place needs.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK: I lost my signal once while right in my own apartment. I called AT&T and they told me a cell was down. Ever since they repaired it, I had no trouble. I also talked to an AT&T technician and relayed some info about what you guys were saying regarding no signal in certain areas. He replied that in most cases it could be the phone. The antenna on the phone may be weak or substandard. I do know when I upgraded my phone, I noticed I had better reception in many places I did not get before.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
I have an irrational fear of subways. Not as bad as flying, but I hate being "contained" (and yes, fear of terrorism is part of it). I prefer to take the bus wherever I can. At least I can see the world outside my window!
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
There are still security guards randomly picking people for bag searches at my Atlantic Ave stop. Has anyone seen them anywhere else? Do you think it's because of the One Hanson Place tower?
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish I would guess that it's because it's the busiest stop and the one where the most trains converge in Brooklyn. Of course it also matters that rich people live above it. And there's that ginormous mall overhead, too.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish did something happen at One Hanson Place? you know my brother lives there..
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@uptowngirl I went to the Brooklyn Flea at One Hanson Place today and the building appeared to be intact.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
Thanks Never Sleeps! I last spoke to my brother on Friday and all he could talk about his new dog- a rat terrier that he had adopted from a shelter somewhwere in Brooklyn.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@uptowngirl No prob. Awwww... a rat terrier sounds so cute and yet so uncute at the same time!
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps he's quite a darling and seems very quiet and shy for he was sitting peacefully in my brother's lap while we were on skype.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@uptowngirl Awwww... I wish I could get a dog, but I am just never in one place long enough to take on the responsibility.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@uptowngirl Sorry to alarm you, I didn't mean that something had happened at One Hanson Place, only that it would be the only "target" I can possibly imagine and therefore the only reason I see for the random searches. Which are still going on, by the way, though apparently not every day. What gives? What are they expecting to happen / not happen?
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish This article is dated, but seems to get at the bigger picture: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/06/nyregion/06bags.html?_r=1
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: Obviously, if a search is being done, there is a reason for it. it would be great if they would tell you the reason, but don't expect them to.
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ajadedidealist
ajadedidealist 2yrs+
@Neversleeps, I really wish I could get a dog too, but my travel and lifestyle make such a thing impossible. A pity; every time I see cute puppies and kittens, my heart longs for a pet to call my own!
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
As far as I know, they're still doing searches at Atlantic Avenue, even months later. What in the world could they be looking for? Maybe the police presence is a strategic way to deter crime.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
I have never seen this. I mean, I once saw some searching going on in Union Square, but that was long ago. How legal is it for them to conduct such searches? I mean, what legislation allows them to do that and how far are they allowed to take such a search?
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Good question, BroadwayBK. I've never been stopped and searched, and have always wondered what would happen if I decline - like, if I'm late and not in the mood to deal with them, are they really allowed to detain me?
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
Seems like if you are using public transport, you might be automatically subject to search, like at the airport? But that's just a guess.
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NeverSleeps
NeverSleeps 2yrs+
Apparently these searches are on "shaky legal ground": http://www.slate.com/id/2123278/
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
I have never been stopped and searched either but have heard of the random searches at Union Square and other subway stations.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
Maybe it's similar to when cops search vehicles. If they have no good reason to conduct a search, an officer has to ask the driver if the car can be searched. If the driver says okay, the search can go on, but the driver can always say no. Again, I'm just guessing, as I've never actually been searched.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Everyone don't some people seem to think that these searches entail some kind of racial profiling?
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santomon 2yrs+
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Everybody: Based on civil law, if a cop wishes to search you, he must have reason to. He cannot just go up to you and search you. There has to be a reason. If there have been terror alerts in the area, that is grounds for checking, But just to do a random search for the sake of it is not legal. If anyone were to get approached by a cop and they told you to wait because they wanted to search you, you have the legal right to ask why. If they say it is procedure or they suspect a terrorist may be in the area, that might be okay. But if they say they just want to check people for safety reasons, that is not enough to warrant a check, unless you did something prior to approaching the cop, and he saw you do it. Then he has the right to search you.
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps Interesting! I'm definitely not comfortable with searches conducted in the name of safety from terrorism, if it means we all have to give up certain rights as a result. Doesn't it seem like threat of terrorism can be invoked in all sorts of questionable scenarios to step on people's basic rights?
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Or, even more specifically: in the last ten years, there has been exactly ONE real terrorist threat in our city, and that particular threat could never have been averted even if there had been random searches in subways! So how could random searches be at all a justifiable way of deterring anything?
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
More like there's been one successful terrorist threat. That guy with the Times Square car bomb could have done some horrible damage if he'd succeeded: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Times-Square-Bomber-Faisal-Shahzad-104018374.html
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBk good point there!
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Uraniumfish
Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Okay, but that one would not have been averted by subway searches either! What exactly have subway searches averted anyway?
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish perhaps they are following the old adage, its better to be safe than sorry for the NY subway system is the lifeline of the city and perhaps an important target for terrorists groups.
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: Yes, the major emphasis for this city of NY is to be safe, no matter what it may take.
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BroadwayBK
BroadwayBK 2yrs+
It also pays to look like you're doing something active about terrorism if you're an incumbent.
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uptowngirl
uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBk true...
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hhusted
hhusted 2yrs+
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